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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:13:11 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5k8h5$j5c$1@sparta.btinternet.com>
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:15:33 +0000 (UTC), "Dean Pullen" <dean45@btinternet.com> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>So Peter, are you saying that the quatrains are randomly positioned? >This is something I've been trying to figure out, why the quatrains aren't >in some kind of chronological order...
Yes, I suspect that is the case. There is plenty of evidence, for example, that whole groups of contiguous quatrains are based on a single source, such as Roussat -- i.e. on whichever book N had been consulting most recently, and whichever themes from it most took his fancy at the time.
You will also find other quatrains based on the same themes, or referring to the same places or characters...
> >If they're randomly positioned it means we can pluck a verse from here and >there allowing us to reflect on any historical reference with the most >suitable quatrains....eek...
That is the danger -- though this rarely causes any real problems, so long as the interpreter sticks to what the words actually say, and doesn't try to twist the words to fit the desired event, or the event to fit the words (as so often happens here). If you are rigorous about this, exact 'matches' are extremely rare.
That is why I so often pull people's interpretations apart here, on the grounds that the events and the words don't actually match.
But it is also important to identify the historical/textual source for each one as far as possible, so as to know precisely what is supposed to be the correct context in which to apply each one. This filters out even more possible current applications!
Which is why I generally do that as well, and why I recommend that you take a look at his principal source, the Mirabilis liber of 1522, which may surprise you. English translations of extracts from it may be found at:
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: 23 Mar 2003 14:25:50 -0800 From: leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl>
nws <nws@nims.nl> wrote in message news:<b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl>... > Hi everyone. I am amazed that no-one has seen this in the original french > quatrains. (Although I don't know that, but I have found no evidence that anyone > noticed this, by using google, and the newsgroup search). > > But please look at my foundings, and be amazed.... > > I was looking at the quatrains and thought they where quite weird, and made no > sense. But then I noticed something weird (in the original french Quatrains). > It was the punctuation used at the end of each French sentence ---- > (Nostradamus uses - : , . or nothing to end his senteces.) > So I was thinking, maybe these punctuations are a hidden clue of how to read his > quatrains. I noticed that everyone is using a complete quatrain in his > translation and explanation, but I think that is not the right way to read them! > > So I wrote a simple programm that does the following: > It loads a complete quatrain text file like this: > snip > include all the other centuries to get the right order of the sentences. > I am hoping that any of you have got a clue, and is interested to share some > thoughts about my findings..... > > Take Care > Julien Moorrees
Well the reason they are randomly spaced is so that a manipulator cannot easily get a string of Quatrains, they have to work for them, by simple deduction. Yes you may have something, recently there was a poaster who suggested the "et &" symbology signified something, not too far from your own proposal. If the work of Nostradamus is correct then the method is much simpler, there is one poster who believes the symbology and word play of the seer has hidden text the Quatrains so unhappy he is with the task given him. But if you study the Quatrains some deal with 1) a specific person 2) a specific battle 3) and a specific war 4)locations are also specific, so by simple elimination you can get your scenario, see PLM before his epiphany @ "Damascus" LB LB
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Op zich zou het wel heel erg cool zijn als er inderdaad een 'formule' is om de teksten van Nostradamus te lezen.
Toch denk ik dat deze poging gedoemd is om te mislukken.
Je moet je even verplaatsen in zijn tijd. Alles werd handgeschreven. Die teksten werden weer overgenomen en wellicht zelfs herhaaldelijk. De kans dat het een 100% kopie van het origineel was is erg klein.
Daarnaast denk ik dat het extreem moeilijk is om de teksten van Nostradamus in het juiste daglicht te plaatsen. De tijdsgeest is een belangrijke factor als gebeurtenissen worden beschreven.
Het gebrek aan chronologie in de teksten is op vele manieren te verklaren, dus ik ben het wel eens met die gozer in die nieuwsgroep.
Je zou eigenlijk in staat moeten zijn om het Frans van die tijd te kunnen lezen en begrijpen. Je kunt eigenlijk niets onderzoeken over het origineel als je de vertaling van een zoveelste kopie gebruikt.
Neemt niet weg dat je wellicht op een leuk idee bent gestuit
Ben alleen bang dat het met een simpel tooltje niet te achterhalen is. Zelfs als het om de interpunctie gaat kun je daar nog alle kanten mee op. Je zult dus vele mogelijkheden moeten testen en bovendien rekening houden met een foutmarge, aangezien er makkelijk een foutje in je bronmateriaal kan zijn geslopen.
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:58:07 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl>
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:47:45 +0100, nws <nws@nims.nl> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>Peter Lemesurier wrote: >> Yes, an interesting idea -- and yet another attempt to re-arrange the >> quatrains in an order that they were in all probability never intended >> to have in the first place (in other words, even Nostradamus himself >> had no idea of any particular order). >Sorry that I need to break your thought According to everything I have read >from Nostradamus, it looked to me he was a very organized and calculating man. >Therefor I can not found any evidence that there is no logical order in the >senteces of the quatrains.
I think that if you read more of his correspondence and his annual almanachs you might get a very different impression. From having read most of him (and not merely the very minor part of his output that was his 'Prophecies' -- did you know he wrote another 6338 of them in all?), I get the impression of an extremely shambolic character, always contradicting himself and sometimes even losing himself in his own syntax! Did you know, for example, that he gives FIVE different dates for the Creation of the World, two of them in the same document?
> >PLEASE NOTE that I am talking about the order of the SENTENCES and not of the >order of the quatrains. So I am not re-arranging the quatrains themself, but >only looking at the sentences from the quatrains.
Ah -- I get it now!
> > >> Such evidence as there is (the Horus Apollo manuscript, for example) >> suggests that Nostradamus himself probably didn't punctuate the verses >> at all, but left it entirely to the printer. You may also find that >> the punctuation differs from edition to edition, and even from copy to >> copy. >I cannot judge that because I don't know the age of the source I used, but I >have a feeling that the weird use of the punctuation cannot be by accident! >Please show me the oldest Quatrain you can find, so I can check my source and >see if I was doing something wrong. But the most sources I found on the Internet >have actually got the same punctuation I have right here. >I have used this source: http://was.kewlhair.com/nostra/ for my research.
Most of them use Leoni (1961), who had never seen an original edition.
May I suggest that you spend a good deal of time on Mario's site at http://www.propheties.it (huge amounts of information, facsimiles etc.), where you can compare every verse across all the *original* editions in facsimile? You will also find much material from the letters and the Almanachs there.
> >> It would be nice to assume that a quatrain that ends in a comma (or no >> punctuation at all) is meant to be taken with some other quatrain, but >> unfortunately that's vastly optimistic... >No no, this is not what I did!!! I grabbed all senteces wich has a comma by >eachother, all the senteces that has a : by eachother, etc.
Got it now!
> >Let me explain by this example: > >I have used the source from Centuries 6: > > >------- Start of source ---------- >I. > >Avtour des monts Pyrenees grans amas >De gent estrange secourir Roy nouueau: >Pres de Garonne du grand temple du Mas, >Vn Romain chef le craindra dedans l'eau. > >II. > >En l'an cinq cens octante plus & moins, >On attendra le siecle bien estrange: >En l'an sept cens, & trois cieux en tesmoings, >Que plusieurs regnes vn à cinq feront change. > > >III. > >Fleuue qu'esprouue le nouueau nay de Celtique >Sera en grande de l'Empire discordes >Le ieune prince par gent ecclesiastique, >Ostera le sceptre coronal de concorde. > >IV. > >La Celtiq fleuue changera de riuage, >Plus ne tiendra la cité d'Agripine: >Tout transmué hormis le vieil langage, >Saturne, Leo, Mars, Cancer en rapine. >------ End of source ----- > >I took only the sentences with the : and wrote them down: > >Of foreign people to aid the new King: >One will await a very strange century: >No longer will it include the city of Agrippina: > > > >Than I used the one with a comma: > >Near the great temple of Le Mas by the Garonne, >In the year five hundred eighty more or less, >In the year seven hundred and three the heavens witness thereof, >The young Prince through the ecclesiastical people >The Celtic river will change its course, >All changed except the old language, > > >Then the ones with a dot: > >A Roman chief will fear him in the water. >That several kingdoms one to five will make a change. >Will remove the sceptre of the crown of concord. >Saturn, Leo, Mars, Cancer in plunder. > > > >And the one's with no ending: > >Around the Pyrenees mountains a great throng >The river that tries the new Celtic heir >Will be in great discord with the Empire: > >---- >I did this for all the quatrains and all the centuries. So I have now 4 big >splitted list of centuries ordered bij quatrain number, and Centurie: >http://www.nims.nl/nostradamus/xls.zip
OK. Understood. However, if you compare the quatrains as written with historical precedent, you will see a huge number of obvious links. If you split everything up like this, you won't -- largely because the results don't make any sense (and wouldn't even if you were to use the original French, which of course is what you should be comparing!).
Granted, the results are sometimes vaguely suggestive. But you can achieve much the same effect (and rather more convincingly!) by reading out all the entries that start with the words 'I' or with 'O' in the index to any good anthology of poetry. Try it on your friends sometime: if you do it with enough conviction you may even be able to fool them that it's some kind of modern poem!...
> > >> Well, it's a brave attempt! Unfortunately, though, you're likely >> either to get either (a) the answer that you always wanted to get in >> the first place (if you're being subjective about it) or (b) no >> sensible answer at all (if you're not)! > >Well I am trying not to find any answers but I am looking for the right order >of the sentences. When I read the columns from up to down (thus only from one >century) I see a lot of "matching" lines (In the sense of same topic, same >event, etc.). But I think it is not exactly the right way to read them from up >to down. >I think I also need to include the other centuries and I think also the quatrain >numbers from where they came from must have a meaning.
Ever the optimist, eh? Wouldn't it be nice if they did?!
> >I have in my excel sheets the unsorted lists of sentences (only splitted based >on punctuation) wich should be the best source to do this kind of research. >Therefore I ask you (again) just to take a look at it, and tell me what you >think of this theory.
I hope the above will help.
> > >> Good luck anyway! >Thanks! Keep me posted >> >> -- >> Peter > >One last note: >Why don't you think that nostradamus mis-placed the sentences according to a >logical formula. He was all about Math and Algorythms and according to all his >letters I have read from him, I don't know any man who is more logical.
I suspect that his math was hazy at best -- and if you really think what you're suggesting, I suggest that you need to read a good deal more of him!
> >I have never read any evidence from him that the sentences are placed in a >completely random order. He only said they are not placed in a chronical order.
I don't think he even said that. Merely that he had 'put them together rather obscurely' -- which doesn't even necessarily refer to their order! As I said earlier, you will find whole rafts of them all based on a single historical source -- whether the Mirabilis liber, Roussat or the recently published books of omens by Peucerus, Fincelius and Frytschius.
Mind you, I don't expect you just to take that on trust. You may have to wait until 'The Unknown Nostradamus' comes out in June, or more specifically 'Nostradamus: The Illustrated Prophecies' in November (details at http://www.nostradamus500.com).
Best
-- Peter
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:11:21 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <avht7v03asllnsu5q8ftpa9tvuhbgnsq9s@4ax.com>
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:58:07 +0000, Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>From having read >most of him (and not merely the very minor part of his output that was >his 'Prophecies' -- did you know he wrote another 6338 of them in >all?), I get the impression of an extremely shambolic character, >always contradicting himself and sometimes even losing himself in his >own syntax! Did you know, for example, that he gives FIVE different >dates for the Creation of the World, two of them in the same document?
And did you also know that quite a few of those 6338 say substantially the same as various of his verses BEFORE you have taken them apart and re-arranged them?
Which, of course, would strongly suggest that it's not a very good idea to do so in the first place!
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:59:12 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl>
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:47:45 +0100, nws <nws@nims.nl> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>Why don't you think that nostradamus mis-placed the sentences according to a >logical formula. He was all about Math and Algorythms and according to all his >letters I have read from him, I don't know any man who is more logical.
Did you know that all his horoscopes contain mathematical errors? He couldn't even read and apply other people's tables correctly!
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:58:05 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <39cd5fe.0303231425.1625f027@posting.google.com>
On 23 Mar 2003 14:25:50 -0800, leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>But if you study the Quatrains some deal with 1) a specific person 2) >a specific battle 3) and a specific war 4)locations are also specific, >so by simple elimination you can get your scenario, see PLM before his >epiphany @ "Damascus"
Hee hee!
Yes -- simply by arranging the quatrains thematically it is possible to arrive at a potential sequence of many of them, especially those relating to the proposed Islamic invasion of Europe and the Western counterinvasion of the MIddle East, since it involves specific movement through specific, named places.
That, as you hint, is what I attempted in my earlier books, though I always wondered whether the resulting scenario might just be what *I* was feeding into them.
What absolutely floored me subsequently, though, was to discover that this was *precisely* the scenario long since outlined and elaborated by the Mirabilis liber, which had obviously been N's major source.
It was very much a case of 'Phew!', in other words!
-- Peter
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:39:19 +0100 From: nws <nws@nims.nl> Organization: Planet Internet Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <avht7v03asllnsu5q8ftpa9tvuhbgnsq9s@4ax.com>
Peter Lemesurier wrote: > Most of them use Leoni (1961), who had never seen an original edition. > > May I suggest that you spend a good deal of time on Mario's site at > http://www.propheties.it (huge amounts of information, facsimiles > etc.), where you can compare every verse across all the *original* > editions in facsimile? You will also find much material from the > letters and the Almanachs there. Very good site! I also see that the punctuation that is used there has gotten the same weird endings. I will try to use this site the source of my research.
>>No no, this is not what I did!!! I grabbed all senteces wich has a comma by >>eachother, all the senteces that has a : by eachother, etc. > Got it now! Very good (but you where not for sure, only after 3 times )
> OK. Understood. However, if you compare the quatrains as written with > historical precedent, you will see a huge number of obvious links. If > you split everything up like this, you won't -- largely because the > results don't make any sense (and wouldn't even if you were to use the > original French, which of course is what you should be comparing!). Are you sure? When I read the quatrains, I always think, yes this could be right, but there are some sentences in there that really need to be bent (interpreted till the edge) to make it right. And I would like to make it french, but my french is not so good. I can make a french export if you would like to have it?
> Ever the optimist, eh? Wouldn't it be nice if they did?! Yep
> I hope the above will help. Yes it does. I will check and change my source, and will see what the results are. But can you please tell me why they used this weird kind of punctuation???
> I suspect that his math was hazy at best -- and if you really think > what you're suggesting, I suggest that you need to read a good deal > more of him! I think I should...
> Mind you, I don't expect you just to take that on trust. You may have > to wait until 'The Unknown Nostradamus' comes out in June, or more > specifically 'Nostradamus: The Illustrated Prophecies' in November > (details at http://www.nostradamus500.com). Hnmn, let me guess it's your book? Is there anyway for me to get it in Holland? I am interested in it
> > Best > > -- > Peter
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:54:40 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <avht7v03asllnsu5q8ftpa9tvuhbgnsq9s@4ax.com> <b5nmvv$jcc$1@reader11.wxs.nl>
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:39:19 +0100, nws <nws@nims.nl> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>> OK. Understood. However, if you compare the quatrains as written with >> historical precedent, you will see a huge number of obvious links. If >> you split everything up like this, you won't -- largely because the >> results don't make any sense (and wouldn't even if you were to use the >> original French, which of course is what you should be comparing!).
>Are you sure? When I read the quatrains, I always think, yes this could be >right, but there are some sentences in there that really need to be bent >(interpreted till the edge) to make it right.
If they do, then you haven't really understood them or the syntax on which they are based -- except, possibly, in the case of obvious misprints (and it of course takes a scholar of the language of the time to know what is a likely misprint and what isn't!).
> And I would like to make it >french, but my french is not so good. I can make a french export if you would >like to have it?
No, no, it's your baby!
> >> Ever the optimist, eh? Wouldn't it be nice if they did?! >Yep > >> I hope the above will help. >Yes it does. I will check and change my source, and will see what the results >are. But can you please tell me why they used this weird kind of punctuation???
As I told you, the probability, on the evidence of the Orus Apollo manuscript (see Mario's site again), is that Nostradamus didn't punctuate the Prophecies at all. It was the printer who did that -- and given that he often hadn't the faintest idea of what they were saying (thanks to Nostradamus's 'Virgilian' syntax and unfamiliar words), he just dotted it around as best he could. Though quite why some verses end with a semicolon or nothing at all is a bit hard to explain...
> >> I suspect that his math was hazy at best -- and if you really think >> what you're suggesting, I suggest that you need to read a good deal >> more of him! >I think I should... > >> Mind you, I don't expect you just to take that on trust. You may have >> to wait until 'The Unknown Nostradamus' comes out in June, or more >> specifically 'Nostradamus: The Illustrated Prophecies' in November >> (details at http://www.nostradamus500.com). >Hnmn, let me guess it's your book? >Is there anyway for me to get it in Holland? >I am interested in it
Let's see. I would think your best plan would be to order it from Amazon (either UK or USA): links are there on the site, and there should shortly be direct ordering links as well.
-- Peter
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:02:03 -0500 From: Claude Latremouille <claudel@torfree.net> Organization: NNRP.CA Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <avht7v03asllnsu5q8ftpa9tvuhbgnsq9s@4ax.com> <b5nmvv$jcc$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <f2608v8jjfd6c1oi7tlvdjh63t04d1n759@4ax.com>
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:54:40 +0000, Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> again obfuscaed Nostradamus' texts by inventing reasons why they are soooo strangely written. * After having demeaned Rino Mailloux because he is too stupid to understand that Nostradamus' texts are not *really* what he wanted them to be, he replies to what * On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:39:19 +0100, nws <nws@nims.nl> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted: * >>Are you sure? When I read the quatrains, I always think, yes this could be >>right, but there are some sentences in there that really need to be bent >>(interpreted till the edge) to make it right. > >If they do, then you haven't really understood them or the syntax on >which they are based -- except, possibly, in the case of obvious >misprints (and it of course takes a scholar of the language of the >time to know what is a likely misprint and what isn't!). * That's clear isn't it? If you are of the view that they *are* true prophecies matching events from our past and from Nostradamus' future, that's because you don't *really* understand them. You see, only a scholar can *really* understand them, as they are full of 'misprints'. And as you are not a scholar, that's why you can't understand what he wrote. And as all scholars *must* hold the view that Nostradamus was not really a seer/prophet (otherwise they would be ostracized by their peers), then, you see, as no scholar is of the view that Nostradamus truly was a seer/prophet, then... he was not. See? * Another question has been bothering the non-scholar reader of Nostradamus' poetry: its very weird punctuation. * >>are. But can you please tell me why they used this weird kind of >>punctuation??? > >As I told you, the probability, on the evidence of the Orus Apollo >manuscript (see Mario's site again), is that Nostradamus didn't >punctuate the Prophecies at all. It was the printer who did that -- >and given that he often hadn't the faintest idea of what they were >saying (thanks to Nostradamus's 'Virgilian' syntax and unfamiliar >words), he just dotted it around as best he could. Though quite why >some verses end with a semicolon or nothing at all is a bit hard to >explain... * Not to mention those who have *two* consecutive lines ending with a period, like the very famous X-72. * Debunking the Lemesurier shit once again: * 1. The "Orus Apollo" was not published by Nostradamus. Therefore it cannot be used to explain the weird typography of anything he did publish eventually. * 2. Nostradamus did indeed punctuate his Prophecies, but in a very weird manner... as if he wanted his readers from the future (who would eventually be able to see his original publicationss via the Internet) to see that the verses as constructed should not be taken as his prophecy, but were hiding his true prophecy. * One way of doing this -- without blurting out his secret coding of the text -- is to leave traces. The punctuation is merely one of these traces. It does not change the coding itself (as this coding is letter-based), but allows the reader to see how odd these verses are... some of them don't even rhyme (why?), some of them are too long (why?), some of them are too short (why?), some of them are incomplete (why?), etc., etc. * As these oddities cannot all be blamed on Nostradamus' printers, it goes to show that Lemesurier's shit above is just that: shit. * Why is Peter Lemesurier spewing shit in this NewsGroup? He still has not told us why. And I suspect he shall never tell, as in Britain, they have something called the Official Secrets Act. * Have a nice day, ye all! * === claudel@torfree.net === === CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE === ===========================
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Subject: Re: Reordering the quatrains, help me to discover the right order of the lines of the quatrains! Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:54:38 +0000 From: Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengal.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus References: <b5iu2r$67r$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <2itq7vsbhku0v0a573rns7gm64kkh6k7p7@4ax.com> <b5lh5t$g62$1@reader11.wxs.nl> <r5it7vsc2ev6vjh22i1lrd7l3nkpd2u9vo@4ax.com> <b5nlv8$iof$1@reader11.wxs.nl>
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:21:53 +0100, nws <nws@nims.nl> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
>Peter Lemesurier wrote: >> Did you know that all his horoscopes contain mathematical errors? He >> couldn't even read and apply other people's tables correctly! > >No I didn't know. But do you think that mr N was just playing a CopyCat trying >to gain some fame by burning his source and then republishing it?
I doubt whether what he burned was the Mirabilis liber -- after all, there were plenty of copies of it around. If anything, it is likely to have been his various books on magic and the occult, which would have been incriminating if found.
Yes, I suppose he was playing copy-cat -- but it wasn't just that. He, for almost the first time, was publishing the existing prophecies *in French*. So he was going to get all the credit anyway.
And he sure as hell did!
-- Peter
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